I understand your sentiment P-NUTZ because my tickets are still reasonably priced as well, but even if TFC makes the playoffs for the next five years in row, not a single ticket price increase will be justified.
I understand your sentiment P-NUTZ because my tickets are still reasonably priced as well, but even if TFC makes the playoffs for the next five years in row, not a single ticket price increase will be justified.
It may be outside of some peoples disposable income, but the fact is a winning team increases the percieved value. So if its outside your disposable income it will be easier for FO to find someone to replace you.Originally Posted by P-NUTZ
and i would agree with you there - im almost maxed out for what im willing to spend. but happily will spend it on a winner. if winning increases prices going forward i would make my choices accordingly. any higher though, and they will have trouble replacing anybody. they are really close to the ceiling i think.
Last edited by P-NUTZ; 05-16-2011 at 01:39 PM.
There is no doubt in my mind that atleast in Toronto, demand is tied to winning. From looking at the Blue Jays, Leafs and Raptors I think I can safely say Toronto fans will pay big bucks to see a winning team and they refuse to support a shitty one. Yes, even the Leafs have had dwindling support in their rebuilding years.
So, if the team gets better, demand should be higher which in turn will make tickets more expensive. That's just the way it works whether you like it or not.
good generalization if we were dealing with Mo/Preki.
hasnt been any indication that this would happen under Winter/Mariner
The one little nuance with your observation is that CORPORATIONS will pay big bucks to see the Leafs, etc. The average fan cannot.
Leafs tickets stay high because there are corporate buyers willing to step in. As tax laws and industry ethics take hold, the Leafs are in trouble. If Casino Rama dropped their seasons, another corporation would have to step in.
I've written a few times about the difference in the season ticket buyer and the single game buyer. The ST buyer is looking for all games at a significant discount. This is the guy who wants to go to all games involving the team. For this guy, the concept of Playoff game "Loyalty Pricing" is an insult. They aren't going to pay 200 for every playoff game.
And since there are no corporations willing to jump in, this market is extremely limited.
The single game buyer is willing to drop a few bones on a game, particularly a good one or a special one involving a player or team or other significance.
^If I were asked to guess at one single reason why Teachers are selling now, this would be it. The corporate season ticket business model is in deep trouble everywhere.
When it goes, it won't be gradual, it'll be like an anvil going through rice paper.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Ask anyone who is a small to mid-sized business owner what return they got for owning season seats to a sports team, and if they were truthful, they would say it's negligible at best. I know someone who had a box a BMO the first 2-3 years. They dropped it. Another good friends had Leafs tix for their business. Dropped them and now they are thinking they will drop the Raptors tix they still have. The company I work for is desperate to drop their box at the ACC. The only reason they have it is because they bought another company and are tied to a long term deal. (and we are not a small company)
All that will be left are the banks, beer companies, and other very large companies that can buy. But as you noted, policies around corporate gifts are getting tight. Many of my customers tell me they can't accept tix to our corp box anymore.
Whole lot of away games to come. The team would need a really strong road performance moving into the second half of the season -- and as we are struggling to win at home, I am not convinced we can win away.
Any investment has to come in the shape of a central midfielder / play maker, and a solid / proven striking option. Also - we need an establish 'boss' in the CB position to keep the line. Basically we need a spine or strength to run through the middle.
Without this - playoffs are a pipe dream.
If they do that, then I'm gone. I thought about it this season but decided to hold on for a bit longer. One more ass fuck though, just one more, and I'm ditching my four season tickets.
You want long term profits MLSE? Then get the fucking prices down, work with the SGs to recapture the atmosphere, fill up the stadium again and start treating this like a partnership instead of marital rape.
We are the Angry Mob, we read the papers every day
We like who we like, we hate who we hate
But we're also easily swayed
Please stop coming to the games if you don't enjoy them. We do.
Last edited by mightydrm; 05-16-2011 at 09:49 PM. Reason: Typo
If you are done, go away. Thanks for the memories.
Totally valid point. Why on earth do they accept this, for the second year in a row?
[QUOTE=Suds;1299756]I do not know how much input they get, but the schedule this year is beyond ridiculous. Start times are all over the place, too many evening games at the start of the year when our weather is crap and cold, too many home games bunched up in the start of the season with hardly any during the summer. Even away games to cities nearby for the most part are scheduled on crap dates.
I wish TFC was a team that had a steady lineup game in and game out to create some consistency and chemistry between the players. If you look Man Utd's lineups for the past 5 years based on minutes played the lineup is almost a clone year to year it's ridiculous.
(2006-07)
E.VAN DER SAR
P.EVRA
R.FERDINAND
J.O'SHEA
G.NEVILLE
M.CARRICK
R.GIGGS
P.SCHOLES
D.FLETCHER
C.RONALDO
W.ROONEY
(2007-08)
E.VAN DER SAR
P.EVRA
R.FERDINAND
N.VIDIC
W.BROWN
M.CARRICK
R.GIGGS
P.SCHOLES
NANI
C.RONALDO
C.TEVEZ
(2008-09)
E.VAN DER SAR
G.NEVILLE
R.FERDINAND
N.VIDIC
P.EVRA
M.CARRICK
D.FLETCHER
R.GIGGS
J.PARK
C.RONALDO
W.ROONEY
(2009-10)
E.VAN DER SAR
P.EVRA
N.VIDIC
W.BROWN
G.NEVILLE
D.FLETCHER
M.CARRICK
L.VALENCIA
P.SCHOLES
W.ROONEY
D.BERBATOV
(2010-11)
E.VAN DER SAR
P.EVRA
N.VIDIC
R.FERDINAND
J.O'SHEA
D.FLETCHER
M.CARRICK
R.GIGGS
NANI
W.ROONEY
D.BERBATOV
It's an admirable thing to strive for but MLS labor conditions make it hard to achieve.
sometimes teams are a little to hasty in cutting guys lose, but there's a lot of natural turnover when it comes to guys who just aren't good enough to play in the league or are out of contract and have no interest in coming back. TFC not alone in this regard.
Price Freeze is a slap in the face. Price cut or no reason to renew seasons....to easy to get cheaper elsewhere.
These guys at MLSE just dont get it...wow.
wtf?@Paulbeirne Paul Beirne
2 hr meeting to discuss artificial turf options and the infill material. Considering one that is not filled with rubber but cork and coconut
13 May
That's likely for the artificial turf fields at the new training & Academy facility in Downsview.
I believe the rubber bits in between field turf is good for making it a bit softer etc., but otherwise pretty awful. For one, it must help to really heat up the field in the summer. Plus, there's always rubber dust flying around, which isn't nice to inhale.
unironically bring back fieldturf, at least we'd have some sembalance of a home field advantage
MLSE will always trade on, and exploit to the hilt, the very generous loyalty, love and support for the team to-date.
But as far as they're concerned, the value of the football team doesn't extend beyond their bottom line.
This will never change.
That wouldn't even be a bad thing if they could maximize that bottom line instead of screwing it away.
Having read Paul Beirne's tweets and having followed MLSE for years I predict that they will push ahead with their 'price freeze'. They will worry about any fallout afterward through pleading, town halls and giving us free games.
I bet season ticket renewals would have to hit 5,000 for them to seriously consider lowering prices.
yep some truth in that.
Im willing to bet they took non renewels into consideration when they raised prices as well
I predict we will see a renovation of the Stadium some time soon to spark some new interest again. Roof, connect the gaps, etc.
And most of us noticed a drop in demand and attendance already last season, yet they still raised prices.
Faced with the same problem this season (but worse of course) I think they will just plow ahead.
As it stands now I wonder how bad our attendance will be if/when we make the CCL. I think 10,000 would be pushing it for the Preliminary game.
I think the only cards they have to play are a roof, or a name DP. I'm wondering if they can pull off the DP move though. Besides I think these are band aid solutions.
They were probably hoping that the training facility news would help, but that only works with the hard core. The general fan base doesn't give a shit about the Academy or player development.
Last edited by menefreghista; 05-17-2011 at 09:56 AM.
I disagree with the DP portion of the argument. If the team does sign a DP and it is the RIGHT player ie someone who will make a considerable impact both on the field with results and off the field with jerseys sales.
This will make a huge difference with the fan base especially again if the results on the pitch change. IMO they need to sign an attacking midfielder. Someone who would make a difference and I think it should be Seedorf. His set pieces and overal vision would make a considerable difference on the pitch
Seedorf! From Surinam as well! AM for sure - need upgrade at CB, but as a DP wouldn't complain with that.
I don't see why they would lower ticket prices. Tickets seem to be moving well.
The crowd was certainly reduced on Saturday because of the heavy rain. However if you looked at the new north stand, it seems as though tickets had been sold for the top expensive light-blue rows that have been empty for most games this season other than Los Angeles. This suggests that had the weather been decent, we'd have been pretty close to a sell-out.
Most of those seats were taken up by Milton soccer kids + parents, tickets were probably comped. This does seem to be a one-off gamer section since theres a constant stream of people walking up and down aisle trying to find seats every week.
Also aisle seats SUCK!! why would you go find your seat at the 15min mark, sit for 15 seconds then decide its time to pop down for a hot dog. Middle is the way to go then dont have to move for no one.
I agree with almost everything here except the Seedorf thing. I think MLSE needs someone who will attract certain elements of the communities that have been supportive of TFC and while Seedorf is a great name for those of us who follow soccer closely, he wouldn't be to the general public. I think you need a South American or someone from the "Latin-based" countries of Europe. Italy, Spain or Portugal.
With the popularity of Plata, I predict they will tap South America again. The irony being of course that Paul Beirne once said that was not possible but now I bet they start looking on a regular basis.
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