Amado Guevara
Since last night was probably it for us and Amado.....(I looked for an Amado thread and didn't find one, please merge into it if I missed it)......
What a stud player, and what a classy guy.
Two beautiful goals, an absolute warrior during the match, a total class act once it was over, even though he had lost.
Who among us doesn't wish we still had him at CM? (I know I know, Preki would never have kept Amado, blah blah, discussing that is not the point).
Vaja con dios, Amado.
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
I wish we still had him because I think we'd be better... but I do remember he liked to go MIA for stretches and could be quite frustrating....
Most talented guy on TFC, but didn't give it his all every game. Went missing for long stretches, played hard when he felt like it.
He still contributed more to TFC than DeGuz ever will.Originally Posted by Northern Soul
I miss the guy.
Something is wrong with JDG. He has it in him.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5n...st-brazi_sport
"There are some people who might have better technique than me, and some may be fitter than me, but the main thing is tactics. With most players, tactics are missing. You can divide tactics into insight, trust, and daring." - Johan Cruyff
Guevara was a great player for us, always liked him a lot. Him JDG are just totally different kind of players, Amado is great going forward and a great free kick specialist. JDG is excellent defensive midfielder and holds possession much better
I hope to see JDG score any goal for TFC!!!
My thoughts exactly. I dont know why any time he has a chance it goes over the bar or he hits it poorly.
Anyways back to Sheriff Lobo. What a stud in the past game, although he was missing for a good portion of the play, however when he was involved I was nervous as shit.
I got the best of both worlds yesterday. Got to see Guevara shove it up Preki's ass but not at the expense of TFC getting kicked out of the Champions League.
It is no secret that I miss Guevara and if we had him in the middle of the park instead of JDG well
1. MLSE would be alot richer
2. TFC would be winning more games
I don't want to argue about it, that's just my opinion. Guevara is a class act!
I don't know why people expect him to score. He's a midfielder, and a defensive midfielder at that. Yes, he is attacking way more now, but we shouldn't expect him to score goals. That wasn't his job.
spot on!!
the comparison are ridiculous - I love Amado as well but JDG is a DM and he is great at it, one of the best in the league. lately he has played a more attacking role and done it really well, with lot's of quality, even though that is not his position. he is NOT a goal scorer-period-stop expecting it from him and look at him for the position and skill that he brings which is brilliant!!
amado had a great fucking game yesterday. what did he do in the first leg? I think it took me at least 20 minutes of the second half to notice he wasn't on the pitch any more.
and that right there is a perfect microcosm of his time with us. awesome, then anonymous, so count me among the people who aren't too disappointed he left.
One of the best DM's in the league yet he's a DP and can't even make the All Star Team. Name me one credible person who wrote an article questioning why JDG wasn't on the All Star Team.
I'd also like you to name me 10 DMs in this league. Since your statement that he's one of the best surely means you have something to compare him to right?
Out of the 3 DMs I know in this league, Shalrie Joseph, Alonzo and him, there is no doubt in my mind he has the littlest impact on his team. Out of all the CMs I know in this league, he's somewhere in the middle pack for me.
Anyways all this crap talk about DM is moot, because if the fact Deguzman is 1 shot behind Labrocca for 3rd on the team doesn't convince you he's not a DM in the MLS then I don't know what will.
Guevara was one of my favourite players and it was a poor decision to let him go. He still had two more years left in him.
ĄVamos Celta!
Absolutely right!
amado is one of my favourite TFC players in our short history.... i have to say i was quite sad/mad when i heard he left... i wish we still had him.... it would be great with him and JDG in the center of the mid....
I agree with that too! Obviously he would have missed much of the season but I'd have welcomed him back. Of course Preki wouldn't have have done so.
Here is another stat. Carl Robinson took 9 shots last year in 1757 mins (what I call the only DM to have played for TFC).
Deguzman has 13 shots in 1024 mins.
You tell me who the DM is? It's a myth. He's a CM expected to provide offense as much as he is expected to defend. There is no way he has that many opportunities on a team that barely attacks if I'm wrong.
I refuse to compare Deguzman to a DM, because of I did, well Robinson was a heck of a lot better at actually defending then Deguzman would ever be.
I loved Guevara with TFC. For those of you that complain that he "disappeared" or didn't give his all every game....here's my take on that.
Players like him are rarely workhorses.....almost never actually. Typically the workhorse player is a guy who HAS to work overtime to be effective. Skill players are skill players because they have two (or multiple) different speeds and
motivation levels. Thats why they stand out.
Frankly, workhorse type players are a dime a dozen and I'm glad that Guevara is not like that. He's special because he stands out with his skill...not because he runs all game.
I hope that makes sense. Lol
We get it...you don't like JDG. What does it have to do with Guevara.
Jdg was an effective player in one of the best leagues in the world. If you think he is no good then that's fine....you're in the minority but please dnt bring up Robinson. Comparing the two is a joke.
Guevara was just like Dero a tad selfish, sometimes not into it, but a class act.. very talented MVP
Chinaglia at the Cosmos. He'd work hard for three minutes and score three goals.
Pretty sure I'm not in the minority of people who were expecting alot more from JDG. But unless TFC puts up a poll we'll never know.
As for the rest of your reply? I show stats trying to prove that JDG is not a DM on this team and therefore should be judged as a CM. The only thing you can say back is "Well JDG was effective in La Liga". Now I ask you, what does that have to do with TFC?
Classify him however you like. He's a good player. He's effective in MLS too....maybe not good value for the money and obviously not to your standards...but he IS effective. He is one of our best players. He will score. And if TFC are succesful this year he will be part of the reason why. Conversely, if they shit the bed he'll be to blame as well.
The la liga comment is relevant because if he was good enough for la liga he's good enough for TFC.
Is that really a stretch of a statement?
Again...I'm sorry this has nothing to do with Guevara but you bring up de guz in every thread.
Guevara is good
JDG is a ball winner, and good passer of the ball....the latter of which I've been disappointed at the inconsistency.
Otherwise, I think JDG is doing exactly what he specializes at, and he is proving to be an important part of TFC.....DP worth? Jury is still out, but I don't blame JDG for that.
Go back through the thread and you'll see I didn't bring him up. I just kept it goingClassify him however you like. He's a good player. He's effective in MLS too....maybe not good value for the money and obviously not to your standards...but he IS effective. He is one of our best players. He will score. And if TFC are succesful this year he will be part of the reason why. Conversely, if they shit the bed he'll be to blame as well.
The la liga comment is relevant because if he was good enough for la liga he's good enough for TFC.
Is that really a stretch of a statement?
Again...I'm sorry this has nothing to do with Guevara but you bring up de guz in every thread.
Guevara is good
To judge someone in the MLS becaues of what they accomplished 3 years ago in another league, well, that's not me. So yes, it's a stretch. It's like me telling you Denilson was great in the MLS, since he was once the most expensive player in the world and played on a world cup Brazilian team. We all know, Denilson is probably the worst DP to ever play in the MLS.
As for DeGuzman being effective, well, that's just a matter of opinion and that isn't what I was arguing with the stats. I'm simply trying to show that the argument of JDG being a DM therefore not responsible for anything offensively is a myth.
without reading any one elses post.
I loved him while he was here but dont wish he was here now, hes only getting older and did disappear from game to game, thats not to mention that he would have been gone for a month. Via con dios el lobo
Guevara was the most talented player to have ever played with our team. Yes he disappeared but the description that v00d00daddy made of great players being able to do things and have different gears is exactly why people said he disappeared (others couldn't dream of doing whathe was capable of). If he played on Seattle last year, he could have been the spark that could've won them the championship, we unfortunately didn't compliment his level most of his time here. He easily was my favourite TFC player!!!
I miss Guevara
We've not seen the best of JDG yet.. but he really needs to figure out how to turn it on in this league. He's letting players play to his weaknesses. He'll need to develop into a new player whether he likes it or not
I'll chime in on this discussion...Guevara would be greaat on this team, but sadly we will never see it. That is life!. But on the Deguzman matter, I know he's a hometown Kid so he probably has lots of friends and maybe family on the forums. But the bottom line is for the money we are paying him he is not nearly as effective, and that is simply not good enough. I want this Julian thing to work out so if somebody close to him can get in his ear and lay it out there for him that would be great because I dont want to see this situation turn ugly. He's giving possesion away far to easy for his caliber of player and no amount of ass kissing or yesmanning can cover that up so lets get this situation rectified as soon as possible. Cheers!!!
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