Supporters Shield Race

[KGH]

Cool. So if I get this right, if Columbus loses on 9/9 and we beat San Jose, then we're in?

He's an even more fun scenario....

Montreal plays on the 2nd. If they lose to chicago their Max drops to 60 same as CBUS.

On the 9th:
We beat SJ - We go to 59


Then all we need is one of the following to clinch:
CLB loses to SKC - Their max goes to 57
Mtl loses to NE - Their max goes to 57

At the end of the day if we keep winning then we don't have to watch what else is happening. It's too bad that we have the first game on the 9th. It will be fun to get back to a bar to MTL v NE at 7:30 to root for NE to win to seal our playoff spot.

[KGH]

He's an even more fun scenario....

Montreal plays on the 2nd. If they lose to chicago their Max drops to 60 same as CBUS.

On the 9th:
We beat SJ - We go to 59


Then all we need is one of the following to clinch:
CLB loses to SKC - Their max goes to 57
Mtl loses to NE - Their max goes to 57

At the end of the day if we keep winning then we don't have to watch what else is happening. It's too bad that we have the first game on the 9th. It will be fun to get back to a bar to MTL v NE at 7:30 to root for NE to win to seal our playoff spot.

So with the MTL loss tonight their max points drops to 60 same as CLB. So a TFC win and either a CLB or MTL loss next Saturday and we've clinched.

[paul-collins]

Also, we no longer have to get to the Chicago max to avoid the play down, with NYRB tying - their max drops to 64. So 9 points for that bar, between TFC and RB.

[paul-collins]

Also, we no longer have to get to the Chicago max to avoid the play down, with NYRB tying - their max drops to 64. So 9 points for that bar, between TFC and RB.

To ensure no lower than 4th, our magic number is now 5 to be clear of Chicago.
To ensure no lower than 2nd (home field advantage in the conference semi) it is 8 to be clear of Atlanta.
To ensure home field for the final (better than top West team) it is 7 to be clear of Vancouver (!).
And, of course, 10 to be clear of all (the goal of this thread).

[paul-collins]

To ensure no lower than 4th, our magic number is now 5 to be clear of Chicago.
To ensure no lower than 2nd (home field advantage in the conference semi) it is 8 to be clear of Atlanta.
To ensure home field for the final (better than top West team) it is 7 to be clear of Vancouver (!).
And, of course, 10 to be clear of all (the goal of this thread).

Because of NYRB's draw, TFC have now ensured no lower than 4th, so 3 points was enough.
To ensure no lower than 2nd, we need 3 to be clear of Atlanta's max of 64. (A win on Wednesday and we don't play the knockout game; also home advantage in the semi)

[Cuppy]

Looks as though David Villa suffered an injury away on international duty. With that the skies opened up and the heavens spoke

[OgtheDim]

DANG...was hoping to see him & Hassler be all "See, this is what we do in AMARYKA!"

[Oldtimer]

Looks as though David Villa suffered an injury away on international duty. With that the skies opened up and the heavens spoke

https://www.thescore.com/news/1364713/amp

[PizzaEatingYeti]

https://www.thescore.com/news/1364713/amp

WOW, lol... how the heck he suffered any injury, having only a 2-3 minute total run-out at the end of the game...
He touched the ball once or twice.

Anyways will be for sure healthy for the match with TFC, because it says that it's a minor injury.

[flatpicker]

WOW, lol... how the heck he suffered any injury, having only a 2-3 minute total run-out at the end of the game...
He touched the ball once or twice.

Anyways will be for sure healthy for the match with TFC, because it says that it's a minor injury.

Could easily have been something that happened in training.
But yeah, doesn't sound serious.

[anto7]

Could easily have been something that happened in training.
But yeah, doesn't sound serious.

It did occur during training

[Oldtimer]

Villa out. NYCFC could lose their next match.

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2017/09/0...isses-kc-clash

[German21]

Villa out. NYCFC could lose their next match.

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2017/09/0...isses-kc-clash

sadly they didnt. So does that make the magic number 19 now?

[Oldtimer]

sadly they didnt. So does that make the magic number 19 now?

No, it remains at 16. If TFC gets to 72 points NYFC can't possibly catch TFC, even if they win 100% of their remaining games.

[OgtheDim]

Feels weird to be in a European style win every game sort of race.

[Red CB Toronto]

Feels weird to be in a European style win every game sort of race.

Yep, especially with two against their biggest rival in the L'impact, who regardless of where they are in the standings will want to rock the Reds boat.

[Hamilton_Red]

Is my math right saying that we can win the Supporters Shield at home vs Montreal if we beat LA and NYC loses away to Colorado? More likely to win it away at New England needing 9 points to seal it?

[OgtheDim]

We need 10 points either gotten by us or dropped by NYC.

Not possible until Sept 23. We can't possibly do that ourselves until the home game against NYRB.

I would much rather we win the shield by virtue of a home win or draw then anything away. There will be a trophy ceremony after a game. The potential to lose a game at home and then get a trophy is just too old school TFC to contemplate.

[Canary10]

We need 10 points either gotten by us or dropped by NYC.

Not possible until Sept 23. We can't possibly do that ourselves until the home game against NYRB.

I would much rather we win the shield by virtue of a home win or draw then anything away. There will be a trophy ceremony after a game. The potential to lose a game at home and then get a trophy is just too old school TFC to contemplate.

Isn't goal differential the tie breaker? Really only need 9 if that's the case which would be Montreal.

[Eastend]

Isn't goal differential the tie breaker? Really only need 9 if that's the case which would be Montreal.

AUDI 2017 MLS Cup Playoffs

QUALIFICATION: Twelve teams, the top six from each conference at the end of the regular season, qualify for the Audi 2017 MLS Cup Playoffs.
TEAM-STANDINGS TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES: The team awarded the highest position in the MLS standings will be the team with the greatest number of points (three points for a win, one point for a tie, zero points for a loss). In the event that two teams finish the regular season with an equal number of points, the following system will be used to break the tie:

1. Total number of wins
2. Goal Differential (GD)
3. Goals For (GF)
4. Fewest Disciplinary Points*
5. Away Goals Differential
6. Away Goal For
7. Home Goals Differential
8. Home Goal For
9. Coin Toss (tie of 2 clubs) or Drawing of Lots (tie of 3 or more clubs)

[Globetrotter]

Magic number is 10, but could be 9 through tie breaker. At this stage of the game, you can't use tie breaker in a magic number situation - way too many variables to interfere. Magic number typically suggests you've moved past tie breaker... which means 10 is still our number.

We could clinch shield while on the field in NE, while the match is still on. If we beat LA and MTL, we gain 6 points.
If NYCFC lose in COL, and then in HOU on the Saturday, their game would finish around halftime of our NE game. In fact, they dont need to lose both, a loss and tie plus our 2 wins would equal those 10 points to give us our magic number.

Atlanta has 10 games left, 8 at home in their new stadium. Montreal is not making the playoffs... and Atlanta even finish as high as 4th (though a stretch to do it).

Here's a conservative outlook
Win in LA.
Tie home vs MTL
Lose in NE
Win home to NYRB
Win home MTL (this would land us at 69 points)
At Atlanta...who knows. I would be surprised about a tie or loss.

[ensco]

Actually, there'll still be business to do - we still gotta put Montreal out. Let's ship TFC2 wholesale to that Atlanta game.

[Globetrotter]

Magic number is 10, but could be 9 through tie breaker. At this stage of the game, you can't use tie breaker in a magic number situation - way too many variables to interfere. Magic number typically suggests you've moved past tie breaker... which means 10 is still our number.

We could clinch shield while on the field in NE, while the match is still on. If we beat LA and MTL, we gain 6 points.
If NYCFC lose in COL, and then in HOU on the Saturday, their game would finish around halftime of our NE game. In fact, they dont need to lose both, a loss and tie plus our 2 wins would equal those 10 points to give us our magic number.

Atlanta has 10 games left, 8 at home in their new stadium. Montreal is not making the playoffs... and Atlanta even finish as high as 4th (though a stretch to do it).

Here's a conservative outlook
Win in LA.
Tie home vs MTL
Lose in NE
Win home to NYRB
Win home MTL (this would land us at 69 points)
At Atlanta...who knows. I would be surprised about a tie or loss.

Magic number down to 5.

Win on Wednesday, it's down to 2. As stated in my previous post, If NYCFC lose next weekend, we'll be around half time in NE and have won the shield.

[mistercorporate]

There's still a race? lol

[Kaz]

If my math is right and it may not be.. if Toronto Beat Montreal on Wednesday and NYCFC lose or tie on Saturday TFC will Clinch the Shield.

If that happens. TFC will have Won the Supporters Shield before any other team won a playoff spot. What I'm not sure off as I didn't do the figuring.. is if our beating Montreal clinches a playoff spot for NYCFC.

[ensco]

We are winning it in a walk. Not even worth discussing anymore, other than to say: how do you stay sharp when you clinch the league with 3 games to go?

Funny, Seba getting a tweak again yesterday made me wonder (KNOCK ON WOOD) if we wouldn't, hypothetically, be better off playing the MLS Cup on the road instead of here Toronto?

The conditions here neutralized him.

(Stretching for things to worry about, I guess!)

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Funny, Seba getting a tweak again yesterday made me wonder (KNOCK ON WOOD) if we wouldn't, hypothetically, be better off playing the MLS Cup on the road instead of here Toronto?

The conditions here neutralized him.

(Stretching for things to worry about, I guess!)

Easy solution.
Play it in the Skydome.
Put real grass in for the game.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Easy solution.
Play it in the Skydome.
Put real grass in for the game.

lol

No thanks

Let's play at home instead.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

lol

No thanks

Let's play at home instead.

In a -10 C weather, TFC's starting 11 being far superior technically compared 1 on 1 with any other starting eleven in MLS, will almost totally lose this edge. Do you agree with this statement?

In those freezing conditions the individual technical quality on the ball is dwarfed and the role of the brute athletic qualities, like force, speed, stamina over 90 minutes (or 120) are greatly magnified.

[ensco]

In a -10 C weather, TFC's starting 11 being far superior technically compared 1 on 1 with any other starting eleven in MLS, will almost totally lose this edge. Do you agree with this statement?

In those freezing conditions the individual technical quality on the ball is dwarfed and the role of the brute athletic qualities, like force, speed, stamina over 90 minutes (or 120) are greatly magnified.

You are totally right.

Also totally wrong. A game like this can't ever be anywhere other than BMO.

Rock and hard place.