this is the part that sucks. I want NYCFC to win this week so that we can claim shield on home turf rather then win it away.Originally Posted by fergiejr
this is the part that sucks. I want NYCFC to win this week so that we can claim shield on home turf rather then win it away.
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Hoping the Reds can defy the odds after winning the Supporter Shield and carry on to claim the MLS Cup. Only 6 of 21 Supporter Shield winners have gone onto do this. Not since the Galaxy in 2012 has a team won the double. Man pinch me again, still can't believe this season is happening. Wake me up please, I hope I am not dreaming. ( :
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EASTERN CONFERENCE PTS GP GR Max Playoffs As of now Shield? Playoffs? Toronto FC 62 29 5 77 Bye. Home Field Advantage New York City FC 51 29 5 66 Bye. Home Field Advantage Chicago Fire 48 29 5 63 Wildcard vs. Atlanta United FC Columbus Crew SC 44 30 4 56 Wildcard vs. New York Red Bulls NO Chance Atlanta United FC 43 27 7 64 Wildcard @ Columbus Crew SC New York Red Bulls 42 28 6 60 Wildcard @ Chicago Fire NO Chance Montreal Impact 36 28 6 54 HOPE NO Chance New England Revolution 35 29 5 50 HOPE NO Chance Orlando City SC 35 29 5 50 HOPE NO Chance Philadephia Union 33 29 5 48 HOPE NO Chance D.C. United 28 29 5 43 HOPE NO Chance WESTERN CONFERENCE PTS GP GR Max Playoffs? Vancouver Whitecaps FC 45 28 6 63 Bye. Home Field Advantage Portland Timbers 44 30 4 56 Bye. Home Field Advantage NO Chance Sporting KC 44 28 6 62 Wildcard vs Real Salt Lake NO Chance Seattle Sounders FC 44 29 5 59 Wildcard vs San Jose NO Chance San Jose Earthquakes 39 29 5 54 Wildcard @ Seattle NO Chance Real Salt Lake 38 30 4 50 Wildcard @ Real Salt Lake NO Chance Houston Dynamo 38 28 6 56 HOPE NO Chance FC Dallas 38 28 6 56 HOPE NO Chance Minnesota United FC 29 28 6 47 HOPE NO Chance LA Galaxy 27 28 6 45 HOPE NO Chance Colorado Rapids 26 28 6 44 HOPE NO Chance
The Bye is good for sure...but there is no Home-field advantage until the Cup Final. The two legged nature of the divisional games makes those an even contest.
Not exactly. Having the second game at home is an advantage if the game is tied on total goals as extra time will be at home. Suppose a team lost 3-2 in the first leg and won 3-2 in the second, it would be better off in that exciting emotional moment to be home for the extra time..... That's a home field advantage
Home field advantage also works in that you know how the away goals rules is working, which will modify game plans dramatically.
I like that Montreal impact analogy from last year
Saturday is this weekend though.
Shouldn't the sheild be presented at the first home game after we've clinched? Most likely we'll clinch at revs or home to red bulls. Seems anticlimactic to me to present it more than 2 weeks after clinching it. Plus, are we that desperate to troll the impact in our moment of glory? Do we want them gooning us in the second last game of the season before our run at MLS cup?
Last edited by Jeffro; 09-19-2017 at 01:02 AM.
I think it is more about rubbing it in the IMFC travelling supporters, I would like to see that, lots of cheeky, but classy TIFO's and 2 stick signs. That would be nice to see broadcast nation wide, and of course you know some (there are many respectful IMFC supporters) not all of the L'impact supporters will cause a scene.
it really is about the logistics of getting it here and an international border. Its being brought up personally on the date, the club is more than fine with it as are the other groups leadership.
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Will the presentation be done in front of the prawn sandwiches or the south end? They should consider doing it in front of the supporters, IMO.
SportsClubStats.com odds on winning the shield:
TFC - 99.937%
NYC - 0.0517%
ATL - 0.00904%
CHI - 0.00178%
SKC - 0.000111%
I've often wondered what it would be like when TFC at long last wins the Shield. Always figured it would be a to-the-last-game day slog though the final fixtures. Never even considered it could even happen like this.
Theatre in the round is always best but I suspect TV angles will win out.
You could argue that for the better "TV Shot" use the camera behind the South end net, or have a steady-cam on field with the players doing the Iceland/TFC/Giant clap while holding the shield with a graphic on the scoreboard behind them.
Or maybe I am overthinking this.
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I thought I heard the announcer say at the end of the TFC/NE game that TFC would win the supporters shield Wednesday if MTL beat NYCFC. That's not true UNLESS MTL also beat ATL tomorrow. If ATL win out the year, they would finish with 64 points... which means that MTLvsNYCFC means nothing in terms of TFC and the shield.
I think ideal situation for us is MTL tie both those games.
A MTL win over NYC means they can't catch us and we clinch a first round bye. That still means something. In theory, Chicago could still tie us but would have to make up a 21 goal GD.
I wouldn't want to be NYC on the last game playing CBus and needing a win - that team is the dark horse in the East.
3 teams can catch us if we lose the remaining games. Chicago can't catch us, they can only get to 60 points - see below.
EASTERN CONFERENCE PTS GP GR Max Playoffs? Shield? x - Toronto FC 62 31 3 71 Bye. Home Field Advantage New York City FC 52 30 4 64 Bye. Home Field Advantage Chicago Fire 48 30 4 60 Wildcard vs New York Red Bulls NO Chance Columbus Crew SC 47 31 3 56 Wildcard vs Atlanta United FC NO Chance Atlanta United FC 46 28 6 64 Wildcard @ Columbus Crew SC New York Red Bulls 42 29 5 57 Wildcard @ Chicago Fire NO Chance Montreal Impact 39 29 5 54 HOPE NO Chance New England Revolution 38 30 4 50 HOPE NO Chance Philadelphia Union 36 30 4 48 HOPE NO Chance Orlando City SC 35 29 5 50 HOPE NO Chance D.C. United 31 30 4 43 HOPE NO Chance WESTERN CONFERENCE PTS GP GR Max Playoffs? Vancouver Whitecaps FC 48 29 5 63 Bye. Home Field Advantage Portland Timbers 44 30 4 56 Bye. Home Field Advantage NO Chance Sporting Kansas City 44 28 6 62 Wildcard vs San Jose Earthquakes NO Chance Seattle Sounders FC 44 30 4 56 Wildcard vs Real Salt Lake NO Chance Real Salt Lake 41 31 3 50 Wildcard @ Seattle Sounders FC NO Chance San Jose Earthquakes 39 30 4 51 Wildcard @ Sporting Kansas City NO Chance Houston Dynamo 39 29 5 54 HOPE NO Chance FC Dallas 38 29 5 53 HOPE NO Chance Minnesota United FC 32 29 5 47 HOPE NO Chance LA Galaxy 27 29 5 42 HOPE NO Chance Colorado Rapids 26 29 5 41 HOPE NO Chance
Vancouver, Atlanta and NYCFC.
We clinch top two if any of the next three things happen:
TFC win
NYCFC tie and TFC tie
NYCFC loses
Road Games:
2013 - Montréal , 2014 - Orlando (Disney Classic), Montréal
2015 - Columbus, New England, Montréal
2016 - NYCFC (Leg 2 Conference Semis), Montréal (Leg 1 Conference Final)
2017 - Ottawa (Leg 1 Canadian Championship Semi), DCU, Red Bulls (Leg 1 Conference Final), Columbus (Leg 2 Conference Final)
2019 - Montréal, NYCFC (Eastern Conference Semi @ Citi Field), Seattle (MLS Cup Final)
On another note, are we REALLY the only team that has clinched or does my spreadsheet lie to me?
Road Games:
2013 - Montréal , 2014 - Orlando (Disney Classic), Montréal
2015 - Columbus, New England, Montréal
2016 - NYCFC (Leg 2 Conference Semis), Montréal (Leg 1 Conference Final)
2017 - Ottawa (Leg 1 Canadian Championship Semi), DCU, Red Bulls (Leg 1 Conference Final), Columbus (Leg 2 Conference Final)
2019 - Montréal, NYCFC (Eastern Conference Semi @ Citi Field), Seattle (MLS Cup Final)
Vancouver can win the Shield if TFC ties one and loses the rest and Vancouver wins flat out. TFC needs to win to clinch the shield next weekend.
NYCFC has also clinched.
Yeah, now. At press time (time of post) we were the only ones.
"It's lonely at the top" :-)
Road Games:
2013 - Montréal , 2014 - Orlando (Disney Classic), Montréal
2015 - Columbus, New England, Montréal
2016 - NYCFC (Leg 2 Conference Semis), Montréal (Leg 1 Conference Final)
2017 - Ottawa (Leg 1 Canadian Championship Semi), DCU, Red Bulls (Leg 1 Conference Final), Columbus (Leg 2 Conference Final)
2019 - Montréal, NYCFC (Eastern Conference Semi @ Citi Field), Seattle (MLS Cup Final)
Both NYC and Van have tough schedules the rest of the way. If TFC doesn't get a single point the rest of the way, they probably still clinch. ATL still has a chance as well, but they need to run the table, which is hard to do in MLS.
NYC:
@ MON
@ CHI
@ NE
vs CLM
VAN:
@ SEA
@ KC
@ NYRB
vs SJ
@ POR
ATL:
vs PHI
@ NE
vs MIN
@ NYRB
vs TFC
Last edited by 105; 09-25-2017 at 09:35 AM.
^wow... NYRB are in for some tough games. MTL still has a fighting chance.
Wednesday is gonna be a good day to tell where we sit. We rest while all three other teams that could catch us play.
All three teams need a win. We can just sit back and see how things play out.
Road Games:
2013 - Montréal , 2014 - Orlando (Disney Classic), Montréal
2015 - Columbus, New England, Montréal
2016 - NYCFC (Leg 2 Conference Semis), Montréal (Leg 1 Conference Final)
2017 - Ottawa (Leg 1 Canadian Championship Semi), DCU, Red Bulls (Leg 1 Conference Final), Columbus (Leg 2 Conference Final)
2019 - Montréal, NYCFC (Eastern Conference Semi @ Citi Field), Seattle (MLS Cup Final)
If NYCFC doesn't WIN against MTL we clinch the shield (magic number for us currently is 2 pts, either we pick up or NYC drop).
Saturday will either be a party before we get there or we will have another memorable day against the Red Bulls.
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Doesnt Atlanta still have a hope at the shield ? If they win out they'll be on 64 points. If we lose out they would win the shield. Someone help me find what I'm missing ....
Atlanta and Vancouver can catch us for the shield.
After Wednesday, we'll know who can still catch us.
On Wednesday:
Atlanta plays Philly
NYCFC plays Montreal
Vancouver plays Seattle
Anything less than a win for all three of those teams seals the Shield for us. If any or all of them win, then "decision day" moves to Saturday.
Road Games:
2013 - Montréal , 2014 - Orlando (Disney Classic), Montréal
2015 - Columbus, New England, Montréal
2016 - NYCFC (Leg 2 Conference Semis), Montréal (Leg 1 Conference Final)
2017 - Ottawa (Leg 1 Canadian Championship Semi), DCU, Red Bulls (Leg 1 Conference Final), Columbus (Leg 2 Conference Final)
2019 - Montréal, NYCFC (Eastern Conference Semi @ Citi Field), Seattle (MLS Cup Final)
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