But it is not JDG's fault either......Originally Posted by menefreghista
But it is not JDG's fault either......
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basically Mo et al paid dropped the ball when signing deGuz to his current deal. he is not worth the money we are paying him.
that DOES NOT mean that DeRo should also get a deal beyond his means. suck it up.
2 wrongs do not make a right.
Last edited by flambe; 01-28-2011 at 11:09 AM. Reason: addition of cheesy idiom
Very interesting. As many of us predicted, TFC's offer is based on his salary last year plus a 200K increase using allocation. I think the offer is reasonable given the circumstances.
DeRo's contract demands are ridiculous considering the fact that he is under contract and has absolutely no leverage. Even if TFC was willing to meet him halfway and settle on 1.1 million, there is no way MLS will allow him to recieve that type of DP level contract, especially considering the nature of negotiations in the public spectrum.
DeRo must come to terms with the fact that JDG's contract is not a realistic barometer. In 2009, JDG had an impressive pedigree in La Liga and he was out of contract, open to the highest bidder; entirely different circumstances.
I believe MLS will ensure that TFC stands firm on their current offer, and I agree, given the dangerous precedent the alternative would set for the league moving forward. If DeRo can't swallow his pride, he will be suspended without any income at all, simple as that.
Last edited by ManUtd4ever; 01-28-2011 at 10:43 AM.
I want to laugh hysterically at that figure (especially if it's an accurate representation) but it probably calls for another Picard which I've used already recently.
He isn't worth anywhere near that much to any team and we're the team he is probably of most value to anywhere in terms of marketing and name recognition as well as his onfield contribution.
time to get real, the fact that the club was willing to offer him anything extra given his behaviour is slightly surprising and a little unsettling but to turn around and demand almost 3 times as much as it is fucking ludicrous!
Remember that we have to pay another 250 K for the 3rd spot, and that base salary hits against the cap.
I have full confidence that MLSE wont really let the 250 K become an issue, but I do fear the limitation against the cap when you commit so much into '3' DP's.
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I think this fight isn't DeRo vs TFC like many have made it out to be.
I think this fight is DeRo vs MLS with TFC stuck in the middle.
I have a feeling if TFC could they would give DeRo the money he was looking for. I mean they can afford it. And it would make sense. But the contract would never get approved by the MLS. Because it would mean DeRo would be made a DP.
Where I think the TFC FO screwed up is probably not by promising DeRo he would be a DP (even back then the league would never approve of such a deal) but telling DeRo that he would always be the highest paid player on the team. When JDG came on the scene that's when the problems started.
Then throw in Mista last season. More problems.
I think DeRo figured that if he had a good season last year there would be an opening to renegotiate his contract, but the opening doesn't really exist as it was a team/league option.
I would venture a guess that Mo was the person that made that promise.
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Yes, everyone agrees DeRo shouldn't have accepted any promises from MLSE, but it is an organization that owns four professional teams, has dozens of lawyers on staff and negotiates player contracts in three leagues with different CBAs and salary caps so they should have known what they were doing (if that organization really left the contract negotiations up to a guy with no experience, that's even worse).
Anyway, it's too soon to say that JDG shouldn't be a DP because if he's on a properly run team with two more DPs that has a lot of potential.
The point about the fight being with MLS is valid.
From their perspective, the DP wasn't brought in to reward players like Le Toux, Cunningham, De Rosario and Casey. All players with comparable stats and "value" to their respective teams.
Well, the $600k question is "Will that offer get him to shut up?".
I think the answer is No.
maybe $600 x 3 years guaranteed would.
If he really is thinking in the range of 1.5 mill a year, his agent should get working on finding someone who would pay that, and then we could work out a deal.
^ A La Liga quality JDG would be extremely valuable in a 4-3-3 Dutch-flavoured system. Hopefully we'll see that. His upside is great.
I'm still trying to figure out where a free-floating DeRo as midfielder fits into all of that.
Agreed that there is no chance that MLS will approve DeRo as a DP.
Last edited by Oldtimer; 01-28-2011 at 09:55 AM.
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TFC can't run training camp properly knowing that Dero is likely to walk out. He has to be sent home or moved.
I'm hoping that the only reason Dero was allowed on the plane to Turkey is to allow Wintermariner to be the ones to make the call.
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I started thinking that yesterday after reading the post presser comments by Dero.
Winter and Mariner are in a very touchy spot overall this and they are the only guys who can fix it. They still have enough distance from MLSE that they have the wiggle room to work it out. Conversly, if they decide that it isnt going to work, they can establish the new direction going forward.
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Let's hope so. They didn't get a completely clean slate, there were all kinds of assistants they were required to keep.
Luckily for the team, though DeRo played this very poorly.
If he had played this better chances are MLSE would have continued to see him as a hometown hero and important part of the marketing and forced the new management to deal with him but he let them off the hook by being too public and losing support. So yeah, now Wintermariner can make the final decision based on what's best for the team without having to be concerned with marketing.
A little off-topic, but combine Winter and Mariner's names a little more and you get...
Winner!
Ace.
LOL... maybe that's what MLSE was banking on. LOL
Unfortunately for DeRo, this saga has played out in such a way that most supporters would prefer if TFC management let him go if he's unwilling to accept the offer that's currently on the table.
LOL
Just clarifying facts.
JDG is on a bad contract... relative to TFC and MLS.
But the question is this.
At that juncture who had the better pedigree - JDG or DeRo?
I would argue it is JDG because of his Club experience......and a question to you Vic.......has JDG been underperforming because he hasn't been fully healthy since arriving at TFC....or is it the players around him....or has he just stunk because he doesn't have it anymore?
I love the guy as you know and am hoping things turn around for him after the knee heals and in this new system.....Being guyanese I have to love DeRo and I do, but not too impressed like all with his antics.....that being said I am interested to have him on the team and seeing what a new system does for him.......it may mean that he distributes more because the team around him is better and has more viable options....but that remains to be seen......
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"Just like JDG. It wasn't a post-and-in shot, but JDG is smart & experienced" - Carts
That number was likely chosen because it's equal or slightly more than what JDG makes. So in reality his agent is using JDG's contract as his barometer. If JDG was making $2.5 million, I'm sure his agent would be asking for $2.5 million.
He wants to be the highest paid player on the team.
You see this scenario in sports all the time.
And Age, I don't know if it was because he wasn't healthy or if it was the system or if it's because he's not a good fit for MLS physically, but I know that JDG's pedigree > DeRo's pedigree.
And this is where dressing room issues can start.
When guys start using teammates' salaries as barometers in can lead to problems as egos can clash.
Why not ask for $2 million which would put him on par with Angel?
Which is one of the reasons I can't stand MeRo anyrmore... I hope this cancer is gone from Toronto FC.
Hell, even I could live with the $600k a year if I knew it would keep him quiet.
That said, I highly doubt the cash will shut him up. Even if it did, and we sign another DP, he'll go off the reservation again.
What's happens if TFC signs a DP at $2.5 million?
Nothing. DeRo went all in. the biggest bargaining chip he had was that MLSE have been known to reward fan favourites (and they'd made those "promises") but that's done now (you know this board has been looked at over the past few weeks as have others to guage support. It's interesting that they talked about renegotiating with him before the season tickets sold out and now they can take a much harder line - the marketing department may not run the team, but they certainly have a say). And going forward there will be no promises, unwritten or not. Likely DeRo and his agent know all this, they pressured as much as they could and they'll take the best deal they can get and then forget it and move on.
You know what, I love DeRo as a player but this is getting ridiculous at a crucial stage in the rebuilding of this organization. I hate to say it, but if he isn't willing to accept 600K per season on a guaranteed contract for the next 2 years, then Winter and Mariner should plan on moving forward without him.
DeRo has provided some of the most memorable moments in TFC history but at a DP level salary, he is definitely replaceable. I think TFC should impose a deadline for DeRo to accept the offer of no later than a week from now. If he declines, let him walk, face a suspension without pay, and he can litigate with MLS to try and terminate his contract. The decision needs to be made soon one way or another so that TFC has enough time to find an adequate replacement.
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