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    Cochrane - "Dwayne don't go to trail with Celtic. There are lots of rumours that you are and the FO does not want you to go. I am going to make a statement to stop these rumours. We'll talk after Christmas."

    Dwayne - "Ok."
    Dewayne's Agent - "Fuck TFC and Earl. Get you bags."

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    HERE IS TFC's RESPONSE

    Tuesday morning reports from the UK press revealed that Toronto FC captain Dwayne De Rosario is on trial in Scotland with Celtic, alongside former Swedish international Freddie Ljungberg.

    The news arrives despite the Reds insisting a day earlier that De Rosario was not going on trial.

    In light of the reports, Toronto issued the following statement on Tuesday:

    "We were unaware of Dwayne's plan to train with Celtic and we will contact them to understand the situation. Obviously, if there is interest in a short term loan arrangement by either him or Celtic, they will need to approach us and the League formally and we will consider based on what is in TFC's best interest."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevy View Post
    HERE IS TFC's RESPONSE

    Tuesday morning reports from the UK press revealed that Toronto FC captain Dwayne De Rosario is on trial in Scotland with Celtic, alongside former Swedish international Freddie Ljungberg.

    The news arrives despite the Reds insisting a day earlier that De Rosario was not going on trial.

    In light of the reports, Toronto issued the following statement on Tuesday:

    "We were unaware of Dwayne's plan to train with Celtic and we will contact them to understand the situation. Obviously, if there is interest in a short term loan arrangement by either him or Celtic, they will need to approach us and the League formally and we will consider based on what is in TFC's best interest."

    I actually like and respect that statement...no BS...calling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevy View Post
    HERE IS TFC's RESPONSE

    Tuesday morning reports from the UK press revealed that Toronto FC captain Dwayne De Rosario is on trial in Scotland with Celtic, alongside former Swedish international Freddie Ljungberg.

    The news arrives despite the Reds insisting a day earlier that De Rosario was not going on trial.

    In light of the reports, Toronto issued the following statement on Tuesday:

    "We were unaware of Dwayne's plan to train with Celtic and we will contact them to understand the situation. Obviously, if there is interest in a short term loan arrangement by either him or Celtic, they will need to approach us and the League formally and we will consider based on what is in TFC's best interest."
    The response doesn't offer much, other than it sounds like the front office has no clue what was/is going on. IF DeRo and his agent did not seek club approval before then I have a problem with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFCin110 View Post
    The response doesn't offer much, other than it sounds like the front office has no clue what was/is going on. IF DeRo and his agent did not seek club approval before then I have a problem with that.
    That's exactly how I read the response from the club.

    Players are supposed to notify their club if they want to trail with another club. They need permission to do so or they violate their contract.

    DeRo went behind TFC's back. Their is no other way to look at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFCin110 View Post
    The response doesn't offer much, other than it sounds like the front office has no clue what was/is going on. IF DeRo and his agent did not seek club approval before then I have a problem with that.
    At this point it really makes you wonder if this Front Office not knowing what's going on has anything to do with them not being able to find a GM or coach to come in and try and run things. Whoever does come in, it's going to be a huge job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFCin110 View Post
    The response doesn't offer much, other than it sounds like the front office has no clue what was/is going on. IF DeRo and his agent did not seek club approval before then I have a problem with that.
    The TFC front office has been on extended holidays since November 21st.

    Somewhere in the TFC offices there lies a fax seeking permission. Let us not forget how inept this organization has been on the soccer side since 2006. There is and has been very little loyalty and integrity within TFC (a big thanks to MoJo for this) so I don't blame De Ro looking out for himself and his family.

    That said TFC has done an excellent job at selling beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BASE View Post
    The TFC front office has been on extended holidays since November 21st.

    Somewhere in the TFC offices there lies a fax seeking permission. Let us not forget how inept this organization has been on the soccer side since 2006. There is and has been very little loyalty and integrity within TFC (a big thanks to MoJo for this) so I don't blame De Ro looking out for himself and his family.

    That said TFC has done an excellent job at selling beer.
    Really? You have proof of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BASE View Post
    The TFC front office has been on extended holidays since November 21st.

    Somewhere in the TFC offices there lies a fax seeking permission.
    Well if it wasn't responded to he shouldn't fucking be there

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    Quote Originally Posted by BASE View Post
    The TFC front office has been on extended holidays since November 21st.

    Somewhere in the TFC offices there lies a fax seeking permission. Let us not forget how inept this organization has been on the soccer side since 2006. There is and has been very little loyalty and integrity within TFC (a big thanks to MoJo for this) so I don't blame De Ro looking out for himself and his family.

    That said TFC has done an excellent job at selling beer.
    Please. This is something that would come from roogsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BASE View Post
    The TFC front office has been on extended holidays since November 21st.

    of 2006 ?

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    The worst part is he'll be on the bench the whole time.
    What a waste

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    There is no excuse for it. This is not like interviewing for a job by the way while you are in a job...there is nothing wrong with that...this is like going to work for another organization/company during your vacation. It is incredibly wrong for both him and for Celtic to agree to have him there. Maybe it was a language issue and there was miscommunication between MLS and Celtic lol

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    Yeah, if Celtic gets wind of what's going on, they might just drop him to avoid controversy.

    Can't FIFA sanction in-contract, illegal transfers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBaldX View Post
    Yeah, if Celtic gets wind of what's going on, they might just drop him to avoid controversy.

    Can't FIFA sanction in-contract, illegal transfers?
    If MLS/TFC files a complaint. I do not believe they initiate this on their own.

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    DeRo's agent if he didn't tell the club or MLS is a dumbass.

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    Now I don't know at all, I could be COMPLETELY wrong as some of these things with contracts and the league owning them etc, i get really confused with.
    But isn't it possible that perhaps Celtic and DeRos agent talked with MLS and not TFC and that MLS didn't get in touch with TFC about it?
    Sorry if this sounds stupid, I really have no idea how it all works, just thinking that could be a possibility or am i completely wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC Bhoy View Post
    Now I don't know at all, I could be COMPLETELY wrong as some of these things with contracts and the league owning them etc, i get really confused with.
    But isn't it possible that perhaps Celtic and DeRos agent talked with MLS and not TFC and that MLS didn't get in touch with TFC about it?
    Sorry if this sounds stupid, I really have no idea how it all works, just thinking that could be a possibility or am i completely wrong?
    It's not stupid. It's possible, but it defies all common sense. I would also assume that TFC checked with the league to see if they had any clue.

    I'm sure when the spin doctors arrive they will allude to something such as this happening and place the blame anywhere but on DeRo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevy View Post
    It's not stupid. It's possible, but it defies all common sense. I would also assume that TFC checked with the league to see if they had any clue.

    I'm sure when the spin doctors arrive they will allude to something such as this happening and place the blame anywhere but on DeRo.
    There is no spinning left. Dero has shown himself to be not very bright and classless. I for one, and I am sure many of you here do as well, understand the pressure of having to support a family etc. But this guy has taking it to an incredible extreme where he is risking what is certain for the dream of the possible. He is getting bad advice that is for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFC Bhoy View Post
    Now I don't know at all, I could be COMPLETELY wrong as some of these things with contracts and the league owning them etc, i get really confused with.
    But isn't it possible that perhaps Celtic and DeRos agent talked with MLS and not TFC and that MLS didn't get in touch with TFC about it?
    Sorry if this sounds stupid, I really have no idea how it all works, just thinking that could be a possibility or am i completely wrong?
    You know MLS, they are so slow at doing everything. They could of figured that TFC is off because of Christmas and Boxing day, so left a message on their general mailbox...haha!!!

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    As long as we get (a little more than) something in return, I say all the best DeRo and thanks for the memories.

    Time to spend some money on South & Central American players.

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    This has the workings of MoJo written all over it. Celtic were recommended DeRo from someone....is that someone MoJo? one final screwing over of TFC from him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuvinho View Post
    This has the workings of MoJo written all over it. Celtic were recommended DeRo from someone....is that someone MoJo? one final screwing over of TFC from him?
    + fucking 1

    i just sat here thinking of that saying .. no fucking way.

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    He's done. There's no coming back from this ever. No place on the wall, no job with the club when he retires. If he comes back to BMO for anything, give him the treatment reserved for cunningham etc. All he had to do was clear it with the club and this wouldn't have been much of an issue. It would have given him the extra money he was looking for without us having to give him DP staus.

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    I know it's Pantomime season but but boy oh boy this is classic TFC farce

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    WOW JUST WOW

    WHAT A DUMB ASS

    He could get plenty of endorsements here vs NOTHING in Scotland am I wrong?
    How much more does he plan to make there???
    Way to say F OF to the Home Fans
    Is he going on our wall of honour?

    I thought you had class DeRo I guess your an ass and a zero

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    Gentlemen, our club is now the laughingstock of the league. Less than 24 hours after TFC specifically denies DeRo trialling with Celtic we're now looking at exactly that! Did DeRo take matters in his own hands and arrange the trail by himself. Did TFC and the league try to keep it under wraps before making the announcement themselves? Both scenarios are equally plausible.

    But aside from all that, here's the one fundamental issue that needs to be addressed. Just how bad are things going at the club right now between management and the players? The "revolving door" is a term that hasn't been used a lot in recent months, but is this yet another sign of exactly that?

    Looking at things logically, it doesn't make sense for an individual to burn his bridges in such a way just for the sake of a trial. Nothing is guaranteed for DeRo in Scotland, but if he did all this without the club or league's consent, then he has basically given up any hope to play for Toronto again and could be facing a hefty league fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cashcleaner View Post
    Gentlemen, our club is now the laughingstock of the league. Less than 24 hours after TFC specifically denies DeRo trialling with Celtic we're now looking at exactly that! Did DeRo take matters in his own hands and arrange the trail by himself. Did TFC and the league try to keep it under wraps before making the announcement themselves? Both scenarios are equally plausible.

    But aside from all that, here's the one fundamental issue that needs to be addressed. Just how bad are things going at the club right now between management and the players? The "revolving door" is a term that hasn't been used a lot in recent months, but is this yet another sign of exactly that?
    You mean last week we weren't already the laughingstock of the league? lol. The worst part now is we may start getting pity from other clubs fans. I'd rather be hated and made fun of

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    Strange set of occurances but it is best to look at the facts and determine who holds leverage.

    The fact is that DeRo is under contract to TFC for 2 more years

    At first glance, DeRo has painted himself into a corner.

    If Celtic don't want him, he's lost all leverage with the club for a contract renegotiation. He will have sought out "commitment" elsewhere and failed. If he wants a paycheck, he'll have to play back in Toronto in front of a potentially negative crowd. Endorsements in TO? Yeah, those should dry up too.

    TFC could trade him within the MLS but the number of clubs willing to touch a high maintenance player like this who could "screw you" while under contract would presumably be slim to none.

    If Celtic do want him, and since TFC was not informed, as is their public position, Celtic face tampering charges if TFC chooses to levy them. Tampering charges could be used as leverage to extract more in a transfer. And they will. These guys know how to run a calculator.

    Even if Celtic want him, he just made it 100% harder for a deal like this to come together.

    If he gets injured, well, let's hope he has insurance for his sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Strange set of occurances but it is best to look at the facts and determine who holds leverage.

    The fact is that DeRo is under contract to TFC for 2 more years

    If TFC was not informed, as is their public position, Celtic face tampering charges if TFC chooses to levy them. Tampering charges could be used as leverage to extract more in a transfer. So, this is potentially good for the club.

    At first glance, DeRo has painted himself into a corner.

    If Celtic don't want him, he's lost all leverage with the club for a contract renegotiation. If he wants a paycheck, he'll have to play back in Toronto in front of a potentially negative crowd. Endorsements in TO? Yeah, those should dry up too.

    TFC could trade him but the number of clubs willing to touch a high maintenance player like this who could "screw you" while under contract.

    If Celtic do want him, and since TFC was not informed, as is their public position, Celtic face tampering charges if TFC chooses to levy them. Tampering charges could be used as leverage to extract more in a transfer. And they will. These guys know how to run a calculator.

    He just made it 100% harder for a deal like this to come together.
    As to your trade comment, absolutely agree. Other clubs will see/hear about how Dero and his agent went behind his clubs back (assuming this is what happened). I can't imagine they'd be too keen to do business with him after hearing about this fiasco. Who would want a 32 year old malcontent with a history of going around his clubs back?


    EDIT: Eric Koreen wrote something in the Post http://sports.nationalpost.com/2010/...to-fcs-wishes/

 

 

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