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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    Sports teams are in the business of maximizing what they can get in return for their players, either on the pitch or in a transfer.
    But what if they want to keep him?
    They might lose some return on DeRo if he sulks. But if he sulks, he'll get chewed alive by the fans.
    If the team doesn't want to let him go, as they feel he is better off on their team, now the player has no power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoopee View Post
    But what if they want to keep him?
    They might lose some return on DeRo if he sulks. But if he sulks, he'll get chewed alive by the fans.
    If the team doesn't want to let him go, as they feel he is better off on their team, now the player has no power.
    That is a judgement call by the team. If they think bringing DeRo back in and not renegotiating his contract (therefore having an unhappy player all year long) is worth it...then by all means go right ahead. That is perfectly within their rights. Just the same he is rightfully entitled to take measures to leverage a better contract either by finding a buyer for his services at a higher price that will require TFC to answer inquiries about their player (like he has tried to do with Celtic) or by using media to his advantage and making sure everyone knows that he is unhappy. Which is what he has done and you guys have chided him for doing. That is HIS prerogative.

    There is an easy solution in all of this but that ball as you rightly point out, is in TFC's court. Pay the man better and put this behind everyone or not and face another year of whatever consequences befall that decision. (ie. drama)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    That is a judgement call by the team. If they think bringing DeRo back in and not renegotiating his contract (therefore having an unhappy player all year long) is worth it...then by all means go right ahead. That is perfectly within their rights. Just the same he is rightfully entitled to take measures to leverage a better contract either by finding a buyer for his services at a higher price that will require TFC to answer inquiries about their player (like he has tried to do with Celtic) or by using media to his advantage and making sure everyone knows that he is unhappy. Which is what he has done and you guys have chided him for doing. That is HIS prerogative.

    There is an easy solution in all of this but that ball as you rightly point out, is in TFC's court. Pay the man better and put this behind everyone or not and face another year of whatever consequences befall that decision. (ie. drama)
    Yeah, but that makes him appear petulant and he (and his supporters) shouldn't be shocked when supporters respond in kind.

    So on the flipside, you could argue that the ball is in DeRo's court in that he should honour the last two years of his contract and when the time comes he can then give TFC the bird and go elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoopee View Post
    Yeah, but that makes him appear petulant and he (and his supporters) shouldn't be shocked when supporters respond in kind.

    So on the flipside, you could argue that the ball is in DeRo's court in that he should honour the last two years of his contract and when the time comes he can then give TFC the bird and go elsewhere.
    That still leaves TFC with the advantage, meaning it is not truly in his court. Waiting for the end of the full life of the contract is not the only nor best time to use your leverage. His agent would be a fool to take this line of attack.

    As for appearing petulant...perhaps that may be the case with some. But not all. And in the end, whether he comes across as petulant or as a mother theresa, what your opinion of him is does not have any tangible benefits to him so a bit of reality here might be in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    That still leaves TFC with the advantage, meaning it is not truly in his court. Waiting for the end of the full life of the contract is not the only nor best time to use your leverage. His agent would be a fool to take this line of attack.

    As for appearing petulant...perhaps that may be the case with some. But not all. And in the end, whether he comes across as petulant or as a mother theresa, what your opinion of him is does not have any tangible benefits to him so a bit of reality here might be in order.
    He can inject as much drama as he wants, but if it hurts the team, you know how the fan base will react. Tricked or not, he signed a contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post

    As for appearing petulant...perhaps that may be the case with some. But not all. And in the end, whether he comes across as petulant or as a mother theresa, what your opinion of him is does not have any tangible benefits to him so a bit of reality here might be in order.
    Reality is I really don't care.
    But when you wonder why you aren't beloved you have to look back at your actions.
    So again, when people say "I can't understand why fans don't him more love", then you have the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    whether he comes across as petulant or as a mother theresa, what your opinion of him is does not have any tangible benefits to him so a bit of reality here might be in order.
    Sure it does. He seemed to genuinely appreciate the love he was getting from the fans before all this shit happend. He even said it ment a lot to him. And more importantly, what's he going to do after soccer for work? Wouldn't it be beneficial for him to be seen as a beloved figure when looking for a job in this sport or a selfish, money grubbing whiner? What about the parties he's always throwing that he asks people to come to? Would people be more inclined to party with a decent guy or a cunt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    Sort of. There is that cliché that people love a winner. Well we have a winner among us and we don't like him because he writes imaginary cheques. Go figure.
    Yes... that is the only reason we are getting tired of him... because he writes imaginary cheques....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roogsy View Post
    Just the same he is rightfully entitled to take measures to leverage a better contract either by finding a buyer for his services at a higher price that will require TFC to answer inquiries about their player (like he has tried to do with Celtic)
    Contracted MLS players have the right to go out and court offers from other teams, to use as leverage to force a contract re-negotiation?

    In other sports leages, so much as talking to a player under contract can be cause for a grievance to be filed with the league for tampering (unless the team allows it). Is MLS different?

    - Scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    Contracted MLS players have the right to go out and court offers from other teams, to use as leverage to force a contract re-negotiation?

    In other sports leages, so much as talking to a player under contract can be cause for a grievance to be filed with the league for tampering (unless the team allows it). Is MLS different?

    - Scott
    If MLS players were allowed to negotiate at will with other clubs, something tells me a lot of the $50k guys would be pulling MeRo's left and right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakes McQueen View Post
    Contracted MLS players have the right to go out and court offers from other teams, to use as leverage to force a contract re-negotiation?

    In other sports leages, so much as talking to a player under contract can be cause for a grievance to be filed with the league for tampering (unless the team allows it). Is MLS different?

    - Scott
    Don't quit this thread without answering my question!

    - Scott
    “Heroism breaks its heart, and idealism its back, on the intransigence of the credulous and the mediocre, manipulated by the cynical and the corrupt.” ~Christopher Hitchens

 

 

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