Originally Posted by ManUtd4ever
I'd have to agree with this. If Winter feels DeRo does not fit, I think he will make sure DeRo will no longer be here. If DeRo is kept on, it's because he wants him here.
I'd have to agree with this. If Winter feels DeRo does not fit, I think he will make sure DeRo will no longer be here. If DeRo is kept on, it's because he wants him here.
... or because no one else wants him on the trade market as a DP or as a contracted player seeking DP status
DeRo is not untradeable as much as it fits your point of view. There are actually several teams that I know would like to have him on their roster. You can be sure that if DeRo plays for TFC this year it is not because Winter feels stuck with him. He has many options. You guys just can't accept that he is a coveted player in this league.
I hate to admit this but Roogsy is correct, for some teams out there DeRo is coveted, but not enough to pay for him.
If you read other team's message boards they are pretty evenly split on their desire to have DeRo on their team.
These "several teams you know of" are they liking him on their roster as a DP or at his current contract.
Count me in as one of those that would like him at his current contract. Count me out if we have to risk the DP slot on him.
If you are speaking openly about teams having interest in him as a DP, I'd be very curious to see your definition of "several"
Only LA, Seattle, Toronto, Chicago, Real Salt Lake, KC, DC and NY currently make use of the DP slot. 8 teams.
Exclude Toronto and we are down to 7. LA and Seattle already have 3 DPs. Down to 5 now.
You'd really have to wonder whether KC would ever pony up the cash for 2. Down to 4?
Quite the assumption that the teams that haven't used the DP spot will never use it.
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Not that much of an assumption when only 3 MLS teams turn a profit on an annual basis.
Emotionally scarred? Heh, that's kind of funny. One of us is rarely, if ever, going to view DeRo's stats when he leaves, the other... well, I can't wait to read your thread on his first goal in another jersey. Hopefully, he can net one between June 5 and August 21st for his new club, you know, and make some kind of contribution
Objective points? You mean like age, attitude, future contribution, other available DPs, tactical tendencies as they relate to the team's system OR do you mean % contributions to goals for over a 2 year span?
Yeah, I hope they make their decision on those objective factors just like we should be.
Last edited by Pookie; 01-22-2011 at 05:23 PM.
Some of the others must want to change that, though....
(actually, the way business works these days I doubt very many teams will ever show a profit)
didn't I just debunk your point? most teams in MLS have used their DP spots
some are more cautious in using DP spot than others, but I think except for tight arses like Kraft in NE, most teams are willing to take a gamble on DP, if the player is right (certainly didn't see Landin or Geovanni signing, if a bit out of the blue)
only way MLS will ever make enough profit is a massive TV deal. it's how it works everywhere else in the world.Some of the others must want to change that, though....
(actually, the way business works these days I doubt very many teams will ever show a profit
MLS will never make a profit, if it relies on gate receipt as primary source of income
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
I think that's an outdated fact at this point, going all the way back to when FCD, TFC, and LA were the only ones making money.
debatable
you have good SSS like HDC, Pizza Hut Park, Toyota Park, Rio Tinto, etc and they aren't really translating into better crowd numbers... of course, most of these stadiums are located in Buttfuck, Nowhere
“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good football.
I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’
And when good football happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which team or country performs it.”
-Eduardo Galeano
There are so many variations of DPs and non-DP plus allocation and contract extensions at max salaries etc etc that you picking out a single possible way to renegotiate DeRo's contract is short-sighted. Interest from other teams does not necessarily mean they don't have options themselves on how to settle the DeRo situation. And that isn't even considering the teams that may want to use their DP slot which unless you can prove there are NO DP slots left in MLS, really leaves a multitude of options for everyone to consider. Just because you wouldn't pay for DeRo does not mean others won't. They are not as emotionally "scarred" by his actions as you seem to be so they will likely make a decision based on objective points of view instead of emotional reactions.
So if Toronto does not want to keep him, they really don't have to.
Which teams that "you know of"? Any evidence here? Before you even attempt an answer, is this one of those super-extra-secret bits of insider insight you seem to have but really never comes to light as being true or even existing?
I'm surprised this one didn't get the red font alert treatment.
"Coveted" players don't get dealt for Julius James. I know the man has two names but really, come on.
Or he can't get rid of him. We are talking about a player, albeit talented, who is on the south side of thirty on a guaranteed contract for beaucoup dollars (by MLS standards) who has a history of complaining about his wages. There is always the possibility to consider Roogsy that there might not b a big market for him in MLS. I could be wrong on this, but so could you.
TFC can't just release him as they eat his wage against he salary cap, hamstringing any chance of a serious rebuilding/reloading for 2011.
The whole salary? When did they pick up the option? Why did they pick up the option?
Would you make the same trade that got DeRo here in reverse? Julius James and a draft pick....
...actually, if he is released prior to July 1st, his salary won't count against the cap. He'll get his money as it is guaranteed but the club wouldn't eat a cap hit too.
After July 1st, well we're screwed.
(A) WAIVERS
Teams may waive players based on performance at any time during the MLS season. Players on guaranteed contracts waived on or after July 1 of any year, however, will continue to have their salary budget count against the team's salary budget and the team waiving the player will not receive a replacement except under the normal player acquisition mechanisms.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/regulations
Thanks for that.
You missed this big caveat at the top of the rules:
* The 2010 roster regulations are still being finalized by the MLS
Competition Committee. The following information pertains to 2009 only and will be updated as soon as possible.
...so these regulations may not apply at all.
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